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Post by Nyeroth on Tue 07 Nov 2017, 10:52

I would like to raise a few topics that have caught my attention during the game, for discussion.

1) How are the results of battles (and everything really) calculated? If there is a specific set of rules and mechanics involved, would it be possible to share the results of these results, maybe in a private chat to each player who is involved? Transparency is only a positive thing after all.

2) Can we push the update for the Divine Points up to Monday? At the time of this writing, the Divine Orders have not been updated yet.. Often the strategies we plan for the week, are directly related to what we can actually and not just the 3 free orders. While I understand that the Elder Gods are busy people, I am sure that so are most of us as well and trying to plan communicate with other gods, organize strategies and type out our actions is time consuming.

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Charon on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 11:43

1. There is a set of complicated rules that take into consideration many factors like the traits the involved races, the current events and conditions and some dice to represent the random factors that complement or undermine the flow of events. Truth be told most of the times things need to be eyeballed in a case by case basis, mainly depending on the general conditions and the structure of the civilisation orders. We take into consideration about sharing more information. However there are some factors that concern us such as the fact that one god has the power to learn about such outcomes. Forevermore, sharing results might cause more delays in the game.

2. I have to apologise for any inconvenience. Due to obligations and an out ag the blue fever there was a setback in our schedule. Divine Power table and map are up to date and we do everyrhing possible to avoid such setbacks in the future.

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Nyeroth on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:30

1. Hopefully this is up for discussion and if so, may I ask you to elaborate on the factors that concern you with a god knowing what mechanics influenced the outcome of his/her (and only those) specific actions?

Personally, I would be more than willing to accept a delay in the weekly procedures for this. If the delay is too large and the interest from other gods is too small, could such a request be available on demand?

I see far more benefits for all of us from this information being shared than with it remaining behind closed doors.

2. Hopefully you are feeling better, take care of yourself Wink
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Re: Questions with love

Post by Orabelle on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:40

Not interested of the mechanics because it will be a pain for fathers to explain why something happened and many will argue with the result. Better leave it in the integrity of Fathers.
BUT i lt would be nice to have a help 'common sense' where mechanics of the game interfere with our wishes.

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Post by Chloris on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 12:51

Ι agree with Orabelle. Maybe a couple of information would be nice to know so we can improve out game, but no details. 
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Re: Questions with love

Post by Nyeroth on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 13:33

This doesn't have to be a pain to explain anything and additionally, if the information is there for those of us who are interested in it, it doesn't force anyone else to read it Smile
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Re: Questions with love

Post by Charon on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 13:37

Nyeroth wrote:may I ask you to elaborate on the factors that concern you with a god knowing what mechanics influenced the outcome of his/her (and only those) specific actions?

No god has knowledge of the mechanics.
Orabelle represents the knowledge domain and as a power, the Knowledge Domain grants the ability to know events. Among these events are the outcomes of the rounds resolution (If there was an interference, if the command was misinterpreted or not). It wouldn't be fair to share information that a Domain was designed to exclusively gain.

Personaly your common sense should not be helped in any way. The story is a great source of feedback to improve your gameplay. Put your divine selves in your worshipper's shoes. Try to assume their perspective!

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Nyeroth on Wed 08 Nov 2017, 14:19

I am sorry, but I find this extremely unsafisfactory and unnecessarily complicating. There are numerous moments in the stories where things do not add up (clearly I am not talking about situations where foul play can be involved) and if we are depended on "eyeballing" for the outcome of our actions, we should at least be able to know what was eyeballed.
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Post by Charon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 18:35

Nyeroth wrote:I am sorry, but I find this extremely unsafisfactory and unnecessarily complicating. There are numerous moments in the stories where things do not add up (clearly I am not talking about situations where foul play can be involved) and if we are depended on "eyeballing" for the outcome of our actions, we should at least be able to know what was eyeballed.

Sadly what you call extremely unsatisfactory and unnecessarily complicating , is actually a way to keep things fair. Eyeballing no matter how bad it might sound is the only way to put some numbers in the mechanics without losing ones mind. Most of the relevant things that must be assessed were referenced in most topics by now. The structure of your orders, the length of your orders, your wording, have been mentioned in the rules and that you should consider them well. On the other hand some reasoning demands to include in any estimation the overall condition of the worshipers, their perspective towards their god, their expectations, the events of recent rounds, when was the last time the god contacted those worshipers. All of the above are estimated in a case by case basis to give a fair outcome that simulates the flow of events in the world. If you believe that things do not add up in the story you are free to ask for clarifications.

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Nyeroth on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 00:00

Alright, I would like two specific clarifications then.

a) During the second week, we found out that the Time Benders were surprised by a terrible snowstorm. While it is a given that the Time Benders are a race that has an elemental vulnerability to ice, they were able to come out of their obstacle seemingly unscathed. How is that possible?
Were they just extremely lucky?

b) During the third week, we found out that the Seuralvaroths, a race which is quite literally created for this purpose, attempted to create some instability. While I can accept failure, how is it possible that a highly specialised race failed so badly that it was revealed who was behind their plannings? It is quite literally like Legolas shooting himself in the eye with his bow and arrow.
Were they just extremely unlucky?

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Charon on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 11:31

So here are your answers.

A) Nothing really indicates that they were surprised as far as the story reveals. However don't you think that unscathed is a quite inaccurate term for a race that got a significant reduction in population. As the story states they were packing to leave as the blizzard built up. Their vulneravility caused them a forced march, the haste to escape caused them an unprosperus hunt on the following round and you call it lucky? Or should we consider that vulnerability means anihilation. They faced the source of their vulnerability for 1/4 of a round and they payed the price. They left in haste in order not to be traped and due to gluttony their supplies are low. Is it really unscathed?

B) I am not certain what people mean whith terms like "specially designed for a purpose". Indeed there are races with all the advantages in a field of expertise, this does not mean every single member is devoted to exceed in this specialty not that the creature has any insight in your aspirations at the moment of their creation.
In any way, let us see the case of the Seuralvaroths. They are a quite capable race with barely 9 months of experience. It is reasonable to make some overthinking and some of these attempts are failed. Now keeping in mind that certain castes are targeted as terrorists in the general turmoil some Seuralvaroths are caught inthe crossfire because they were pretending to be members of these castes. Turmoil implies violent escalation that can realy be a good reason for a Seuralvaroth to be unmasked. First of all they are tiny and physically deficient creatures pretending to be medium physically supperior, even magic cannot conceal such differences when things get physical. Second the party assuming the false idenrity were obviously unprepared to be accused of terrorism and abandoning their disguise is a solid survival strategy. It is called lack of coordination and it is always a good reason for the most simple plans to fail.

I only apologise from my part if the story does not reveal the above in every detail.

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Re: Questions with love

Post by Nyeroth Yesterday at 20:13

I was asking a few questions earlier in a private chat but it was pointed out to me that I should ask my questions here in the forum.

So, I was looking through the races and I noticed that there are 10 races that have gotten Lunacy and I wondered why we only ever see the Great Elder Ones rage in the game and additionally, what causes them to distinguish between friend and enemy while in their rage. Supposedly they go bananas completely, why not kill their own brothers and sisters?

Looking at the races and Lunacy led me to look a bit on the Regeneration part and that led me to another question. I saw that a race has Regeneration with the following comment:

"Regeneration: They can heal every wound or injury. Cold forged iron can stop this process though. (+4)"

What exactly is cold forged iron? It exists in our world but apparently it is quite a feat to manage to work with and is considered extremely hard to achieve iron-forging in cold/moderate temperature. Considering that the world we are playing in is far less technologically advanced than the world we are playing in, how is that a negative that was accepted to a race? Isn't that partially equal as saying that a race has Regeneration but Nuclear Fusion stops it from healing, in the way that it is not something that the fantasy world inhabitants are likely to have achieved?

Additionally, during the last week, my Seuralvaroths in the south were attacked. I need a small clarification on that. I understand that during their lunacy period, the Great Elder Ones don't really pick their foe and just desire to kill. Now, the Seuralvaroths are tiny creatures, about 10cm long in a vast area, covered with trees and water. I find it an interesting thing that the Great Elder Ones, creatures that while they are absolutely massive, they do not have any specific senses then it comes to life-sensing or even exceptional sight, would noticed that there are such tiny creatures living under the leaves and branches of the trees that they overshadow, and go to the extent of attacking them. Can I get a clarification on this?

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